East Goshen Farmers Market returns to it’s full outside glory on Thursday May 9th in East Goshen’s Park.
A new Malvern Farmers Market has it’s first day Saturday May 4, 9 a.m. to 1 p.m., rain or shine. It is sponsored by Kimberton Whole Foods and will be in Burke Park in the Borough of Malvern off Burke and Warren.
I believe the opening day of West Chester Growers Market is also this coming Saturday morning May 4th.
There are also many other farmers markets throughout Chester County, but these are the three that I know about right now – feel free to pop info on other markets in a comment!
The problem with small towns is among other things, gossip. Can that be said to be a huge issue in West Vincent Township?
As an auslander observing how these small Chester County Hamlets like West Vincent work, it can often be described as with fear and loathing can’t it? He said, she said with an unhealthy dose of incestuous politics, right?
So many I know would never live in West Vincent because of the convenient and batting of the eye inexplicable crap that happens to ordinary people who aren’t even doing anything half the time, right?
Want to know what I have noticed going through West Vincent of late? The number of properties for sale on every road and dirt lane imaginable. It is a small place and it seems that in it and abutting it, homes are going up for sale. Some of them incredibly beautiful, slice of heaven worthy properties. Can that all be because of the economy? Or is it deeper, darker, more sinister? Could part of what is wrong also have to do with fears of unecessary development? (see letter here called 2February2013Bville ) Or taxes? Or how tax monies are spent? Township services?
But part and parcel of what is wrong with West Vincent is fear and loathing and whisper down the lane, correct? Political retribution? Persecution of innocents?
Bullies come in all shapes, sizes, ages, and socio-economic levels. Real Christian people abhor bullying.
So West Vincent officials of course you know nothing about this, right? But can it be said you might never lift a finger if you knew who was doing this?
So West Vincent, here is the 411: Do you want to be on my radar again? Do you want to be under the microscope of media?
We realize you are still obsessed and live in fear of Chickens and mobs of Birchrunville People but let’s grow up, shall we? Not every one of your residents is going to agree with you. You are not gods. You were put there by the people and can be removed by the people, yes? You are not immune to ethics inquiries and state investigations, either, are you? Is that what you are trying to avoid?
The times they are a changing and it is time for twisted Mayberry to get with the program. Persecution and gossip are so Salem Witch Trials and February 1692 right?
And here is an idea to lay on the general public: accountability. If you know who leaves persecution missives around town in this country hamlet, feel freee to speak up. God don’t like ugly after all.
A final thought to file under God don’t like ugly and accountability are some flyers I have held onto, and in some cases for months. People have been sending them to me for months. They show up in places like the US Post Office in a couple of locations. I believe Birchrunville and maybe Chester Springs.
It is of course damn stupid to harass private citizens via the US Postal Service – and FYI it doesn’t matter if you are posting on post office property or sending through the mail it can and all should be given to US Postal Inspectors, shouldn’t it? They throw stuff like that through crime labs for prints and whatnot – sometimes state labs, but often Federal labs and would you want YOUR finger prints or DNA on them? And this isn’t CSI, they actually do this stuff. And if my name was on one of those flyers being left in post offices I certainly would contact the postal inspectors.
I have redacted the names but it is all obviously political in West Vincent because the citizen targets include one person who ran for supervisor and someone else was an honest Republican Committeeman. And the type face and phrasing is similar enough to give anyone with a brain pause that it is the same author or authoress as the notice above. But again, anyone with a brain wouldn’t do something this stupid because eventually it all comes out. And these people are doing this because they are obsessed with Chickenman. As in who the writer Chickenman is.
And what are they going to “prosecute” Chickenman for anyway? Telling the truth? (In that case Viva La Chicken, right?)Having First Amendment Rights? Exercising a very American tradition of having a pen name? (I will also note they tried this a few years ago in Delaware County with a blogger called Delco Tom Paine or something close to that. He was never exposed, never prosecuted, and much of what he wrote about came to pass.)
Bottom line: government corruption is like mold until it sees the light of day. And shame on whomever for persecuting private citizens for having two brain cells to rub together. And if these flyers end up being discovered as being created by West Vincent elected officials, appointed officials or with the knowledge of either well that might be a problem for a lot of people, huh?
West Vincent, it is 2013. Knock it off. The more you try to slide stuff by the more people seem to come forward and ask questions. Trying to silence, bully, harass, initimidate, and harrangue residents is not working in your favor so why not try a little honesty instead of croneyism?
And now for the ultimate in Paranoia. (And oh the irony they are ankle biting Jim Gerlach, eh? I bet the Congressman loves being up on post office walls next to the FBI most wanted, huh?) And at the end of the day is Chickenman silent? I still get mailings, don’t all of you?
If I was an elected or appointed or connected person in West Vincent I sure wouldn’t want to be caught along with whomever is putting harassing flyers up in US Post offices around West Vincent, would you? LOL this is some kind of truth for West Vincent isn’t it? And my final thing on this post is to post the list of “contributors” to two blogs no one reads (they are possibly vegan and at the very least chicken-free LOL):
I am a West Vincent resident and I set up this blog in 2009 to invite my neighbors to share information and enter a discussion about our township, what’s working and what’s not. Please continue to share your thoughts.
This is a place to post signed messages, no hidden authors, no unsubstantiated allegations. Please speak your piece and share your opinion. We ask posters and commenters to identify themselves; we would like this to be a discussion forum for West Vincent Township residents only. Thank you.
Twisted Mayberry….there is no substitute. You people would eat your young if it meant having your own way, don’t you all think so?
Well, apparently Tacie’s is open. I encourage everyone to go because West Vincent taxpayers are still paying Supervisor Clare’s health benefits, right? (If they aren’t and she is once again self-supporting in that area, by all means leave a comment so I can correct the post!)
Terribly disapointing…Build up and PR led one to expect a comfortable coffee cafe with free wifi where sitting with your computer, having a cup of fine coffee and a homemade pastry or sandwich would fill a huge void in this area (The only other close spot of this sort is St Peters Cafe and they have very limited hours)
The atmosphere is NO different from the old, dowdy, church-lady style of the former Coventry Tearoom. Coffee was awful—as bad as Wawa and no one even knew what roaster they were using which made it clear that it was just standard Aramark type coffee.
I was given the tiniest cup I’ve ever had in my life for a takeaway. Sticky bun which I took home was ok, nothing special.
But the main disappointment is that this place opened as if we were in 1965 and that the population out here hasn’t changed since then. Not even an attempt in a comfortable decor or even any current great background music.
Completely unsophisticated and mediocre. Youd at least think that with Kimberton Roaster so close by they’d make an effort to have a great coffee if nothing else!!
With all the money being saved on quality/decor and such, the should hire a consultant to bring them into the 21st Century! Being cosy in the country is not the same as being cultural crap…..and according to the review above, obviously no one in the kitchen realizes that we now ( those of us who care in any case) eat with a thought to our heart health. The last thing this area needs is more fat fried in fat disguised as ‘food’.
Really , really a shame…..
Now I won’t ever go to Pottstown just for coffee and a bun, so honestly it is doubtful I would ever darken her door. Also doubtful because much like Farmer Ken she supported eminent domain for private gain a year ago at Ludwig’s Corner Horse Show. How can I support a business that has an owner who supported even the thought of eminent domain for private gain? It’s a personal thing with me, but it is how I feel.
However, don’t let me stop you from going to Tacie’s because if she makes money she gets off the dole in West Vincent for health benefits, right? Even if we all know she and some other petty people in West Vincent are not so supportive of fellow West Vincent residents and their businesses, right? Even if they see magical chickens behind every bush and tree, right? (I am somewhat disappointed as she has never accused me of being Chickenman – LOL it makes one feel left out of the fowl club!!!)
But Clare, wow, maybe you should just buy a Nespresso machine. They make fabulous coffee. There are few things worse than a bad cup of coffee in a cafe.
As for the rest of it, you either have style or you don’t. You can either cook and bake or you can’t. You are either hospitable with a generous spirit or you aren’t. Maybe you can fake it til you make it? And a Yellowbook coupon? really?
I wish her luck, but the truth is so many people who don’t know boo about running a cafe or restaurant open them up. I love to cook for example, am very good at it, but I know that doesn’t make me Julia Child.
I found an article this morning which leaves me slightly stunned. West Vincent Township, that tiny hamlet in Chester County that seems to have an inordinate amount of issues and examples of bad government and municipal thugginess, is at it again.
WEST VINCENT — The Board of Supervisors unanimously repealed its policy of publishing official documents to the township’s website, saying that the policy is “unnecessary” and has had adverse effects.
The decision came during the supervisors’ meeting on Monday, coupled with the announcement that the policy would be reduced to an informal guideline.
The policy to post certain township documents, including meeting agendas, minutes, announcements and policies, was “created as a courtesy to some residents,” said Supervisor Clare Quinn.
According to Quinn, the decision to repeal the policy stemmed from an overwhelming number of requests for additional documents….Brown said one of the issues with the policy was that there was difficulty posting documents on the website within a week of their original publication, and that reducing the policy to a guideline would help resolve the matter.
Well blow me over, someone get those poor people some Internet technology. They can pay well enough to have moving photos and silliness on their municipal website but not information that would actually be helpful to the residents let alone show that West Vincent Township complies with sunshine and transparency laws in PA? Yowza people!
This is deeply, deeply troubling. When municipalities go this far to say why they should not release what should be public information in a timely manner, does that mean they are hiding things??? Here is a link to their Right to Know Form . They deserve to be flooded.
Sigh…this municipality is so scary backwards. So much beauty where it is located and such decay underneath…
And speaking of Clare Quinn, does she have a new business? If so, are the taxpayers of West Vincent going to continue to be on the hook for her healthcare benefits? Because correct me if I am wrong but if she is opening a small business she can at least get benefits for herself under the business, right? Self-employment is employment, right? It is easier to get benefits as a business versus an individual, right?
So anyway I have some gal pals who love tea rooms and they told me a place called the Coventry Tea Room was closing – so I looked up their website:
I was curious about Tacie’s so I dug around. So Tacie’s is owned by Coventry Enterprises LLC whose address tags back to Clare Quinn if that where she actually lives ? (And you have to put the corporate names into the forn and submit to see info – see screen shot photos at bottom of this post) Well, if all true, good thing I do not travel to Pottstown much as I just can’t by a moral sense of right and wrong support a business whose owner once attempted eminent domain for private gain (Ludwig’s Corner Horse Show Grounds). And it is a shame because I love little local places like this. But in this case, I can’t overlook ownership, and I am truly sorry….
Hope Clare doesn’t borrow any fabulous recipes without attribution, right? But I bet Clare will have lots of yummy products from Birchrun Hills Farm, another business I unfortunately also choose not to patronize because of Ken Miller, who is as everyone knows also a supervisor in West Vincent who was in favor of eminent domain for private gain at Ludwig’s Corner Horse Show. (Farmer Ken has been remarkably quiet at meetings hasn’t he?)
And what is up with the Chicken Man is dead posters in Birchrunville Post Office? And not just about Chicken Man. Is this how they govern in West Vincent? Fear and thuggery? How come the developments in West Vincent are getting fresh paving and none of the older back roads?
The shame of West Vincent is that if they spent half the time doing positive things in this twisted hamlet versus what they actually do, this would be among the most desirable places to live, wouldn’t it?
File under taking the farmers market show on the road.
I love the East Goshen Farmers Market . It is far better run than the Farm to City Markets I used to patronize because although not inexpensive, the price points at East Goshen’s market are a lot more attractive than the pricing I see some of the same vendors do in Bryn Mawr. And there is a far greater variety of farms to choose from. Also, the vibe is so awesome each week. As someone settling into a new community after 30 plus years in another community, this is one of the little things that has helped my transition because although I do not know a lot of people out here yet, going to the market has helped be become comfortable with my new community.
East Goshen Farmers Market has so many terrific farmers, and I patronize all but one farm – the farming folk known as the Millers and Birchrun Hills Farm. Given the treatment people I know in West Vincent receive from Farmer-Supervisor Miller and the other supervisors in West Vincent, it is so unfortunate, but I just can’t patronize them. To me it would be morally wrong to put jingle in their pockets. And that pains me, because no matter what I like to support local farmers whenever I can.
Mind you that opinion cost this blog being linked to the East Goshen Farmers Market site (at their original request, not mine) and for the market manager Lisa O’Neill to treat me like I had a disease any time I tried to say hello. She and her co-market manager Donna Levitsky are trying to be politically correct and face it, I am not your average PTA mom…. and I am a blogger who doesn’t just blog about recipes and homemaking projects, so I get that, it’s cool. I just don’t bother to say hi any longer. It is easier and makes them more comfortable – they are so busy on market days, I wouldn’t want to detract from what they have to do by saying hi, you know?
Anyway, Lisa has in all honesty produced a most fabulous market for East Goshen (I featured it in an article I wrote about farm markets and community gardens for Philly.com this summer) , and she is apparently taking her show on the road for 2013. Malvern Patch is reporting that East Goshen’s market will be giving birth in the spring of 2013 to a mini version of itself in Malvern on Saturday mornings. That is awesome, even if it is the exact same time and day I believe as the West Chester Growers Market which is quite simply amazing, as well as the market that is the original of all these local farm markets.
I am glad local farmers will be getting more exposure – this will be another producers only market. That means to be there and sell, you grow it/you raise it.
One question, however. East Goshen Farmers Market is sponsored by East Goshen Township and The Friends of East Goshen – and part of the money they say in their mission statement goes back to East Goshen Park. So will part of the monies here go back to Burke Park in Malvern Borough where this will be held? Who is sponsoring this market? Is the borough or is there another non-profit sponsor? Or maybe they will start their own company or non-profit at this point? And what do Lisa O’Neill and her co-manager Donna Levitsky (one of the owners of Shellbark Hollow Farm which is a participating farm at East Goshen Farmers market) get out of this monetarily? Not being mean, just being realistic. A former neighbor is the market manager of the Bryn Mawr Farmers Market and I know the lady who manages the Collegeville Farmers Market. I know the incredible amount of time they put into running just one market. Will they receive a salary for this Malvern market? A profit-sharing slice of market profits? Or is this all done in a volunteer capacity? Either scenario is fine with me, I am not judging – I am merely curious how it all works. Most markets I have come across, pay their market managers something for all their efforts. And running a Saturday morning market will sure mean more effort as they will be up with the roosters to ensure the market is set up by 9 a.m.
Here’s the update from Patch and I am looking forward to this market and Kimberton Whole Foods coming to Malvern! I am still not a fan of the development occurring on East King Street, however, outside of Kimberton Whole Foods coming to town. I think the development in the end will prove to be too dense and too much for the borough of Malvern to handle.
Malvern Borough will have a new, weekly farmers market in Burke Park starting Saturday, May 4, 2013.
The Malvern Farmers Market will be held Saturdays from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. in Burke Park. It will feature about 25 farmers and food artisans in its first year, some of whom will appear on a rotating basis.
“It will start as a producers-only market,” co-manager Lisa O’Neill said. “There will definitely be a meat vendor in there, farm fresh eggs, local cheeses, local bakeries.”
What about cupcakes, dog treats and other less typical items for sale?
“The, what I call, value-added products will be there, but we’ll introduce them to the market after we get a solid farmers market up and going,” she said.
O’Neill, who currently runs the East Goshen Farmers Market with co-manager Donna Levitski, presented the plan for a Malvern market at the Sept. 18 Borough Council meeting. She credits Borough manager Sandy Kelley with helping her see the potential in Malvern….
In an email, O’Neill said the market will boost the local economy:
Malvern is the perfect community for a farmers market – a walking town, with plenty of parking on a weekend morning, and just the perfect distance from existing Saturday markets. We think this will benefit the entire Malvern community – every Saturday shoppers will head to Malvern for the market – while they’re in Malvern they can visit with all of the other Malvern merchants – giving local businesses a big weekend boost – everybody wins.
Many farmers markets have popped up in and around Malvern in recent years, but few have demonstrated staying power. The fate of the East Goshen Farmers Market for 2013 is in the hands of township officials, and two other nearby farmers markets—Great Valley and Rushton Farm—did not return in 2012.
Lisa O’Neill is right – local communities do indeed benefit HUGELY from things like farmers markets. It brings people to town who might never otherwise visit. And Malvern is cute. The Bryn Mawr Farmers Market (albeit expensive) has greatly benefited Bryn Mawr by giving it foot traffic on Saturdays, and things like First Friday Main Line and Clover Market have also similarly benefited main street Ardmore. (and if you have never been to either First Friday Main Line or Clover Market, you should check them out!)
I mean REALLY? Is this true? Did you think no one would say anything? And truthfully, I have recently heard other West Vincent tales from people I have continued to meet socially who aren’t “active”. They are just ordinary people trying to live their lives. Suffice it to say their tales lend even more credence to everything Chickenman and others say.
I do not understand why the state doesn’t have a corruption squad to come into West Vincent? Silly me, I thought Corbett was a law and order kind of guy?
It seems there was a “private meeting” between township representatives and the Hilltop Road residents on August 14 about road ‘improvements’ estimated to cost over $100,000.
I discover that no surveying, engineering, or professional planning has been done. It seems, judging by the sign, that the residents don’t actually want the road improvements. They don’t want the bottom part of Hilltop widened and paved.
So I leave you, my dear reader, to ponder over the question over who might benefit from this road improvement scheme? Could it be something to do with money and not to do with local benefits? Could it just be that a local contractor needs the work and a certain local farmer might benefit indirectly? Answers on a postcard please, and there are no prizes.
If you don’t agree your tax monies being spent in this way, please follow the sign, and go to the meeting. Support your neighbors and follow the sign. YOU might be the next. It’s what happens in West Vincent.
Now a tiny little gripe. I only just heard about this. Please tell me earlier, I can often help. I can’t do anything if I don’t know about it.
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Folks, it also wouldn’t hurt to remind Congressman Jim Gerlach the issues have issues in West Vincent. Call his Chester County office or campaign office in Eagle. You also need to write letters to the Daily Local. Go to meetings.
Again, I can write the occasional blog post but I do not live in your community. Small minded petty politicos only have as much power as you allow them to have.
….Well if you do, they need volunteers. And after the year they have had at the hands of helpful West Vincent government types, they deserve the help!
It will be more fun than the mad cattle car crush to go see VP Candidate Paul Ryan tomorrow at the Helicopter Museum (and if you are going and have never been to one of these things they are hot and crowded. Be prepared to stand for HOURS and for the candidate to be LATE. This is a large group appearance so it will be hell to be in that crowd and to live anywhere near the museum.)
Ludwig’s Corner Fire Company
Talk about supporting the public! When your house is on fire, these are the ones that come to save your family and property. Attending the
Horse Show benefits…YOU!
Horsepower of Life
“Enriching the lives of families living
with cancer” What more needs to said? A local non-profit that works with
families that have that huge hurdle to overcome.
According to supervisors’ Vice Chairwoman Clare Quinn, the developers did not specify a reason for the extension request, which was unanimously approved.
This land-development application is over a year old. The developers want to construct three two-story office buildings, each consisting of about 2,500 square feet.
According to Township Manager Jim Wendlegass, Birch Run Village Leasing LLC originally submitted a land-development application in late 2004, and it was denied, and the current application has a low-intensity-use sewage plan.
“Another (application) may be coming, and that’s why I think (the developers) are extending, because they’re revising,” said Quinn.
Township supervisors’ Chairman Kenneth Miller said the extension request is an opportunity for Birchrun Village LLC to address community concerns with the project.
Gee Clare, let us consult the Magic 8 Ball while we are at it…..and speaking of Farmer Supervisor Ken Miller, how is the temperature of his wife Smiling Sue and cheese at local farm markets these days? And what is this talk of knobby knees and governmental shorts?
Come on West Vincent, if you don’t want to be blogged about quit making it so darn easy…..
On one hand people should be glad this is way out in Pottstown. On the other hand, given what nearly occurred at Christmas 2011 in Ludwig’s Corner, people should be saddened perhaps that a small business like Funky Lil’ Kitchen in Pottstown would not be more selective in their choice of farms.
I would never suggest this small business be boycotted because they are fabulous. They just need to be educated.
Funky Lil’ Kitchen sent the following shout out to their fans and gastronomical followers:
From: Funky Lil Kitchen [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Birchrun Hills Farm Dinner with Sue Miller 8/16/12
We have set up a special night with our friend, local cheesemaker and farmer Sue Miller from Birchrun Hills Farm in Chester County on Thursday august 16th from 5:30 to 8:30 p.m..
Sue is best known for her cheeses but some people do not know she also produces veal and pork.
So we have teamed up with Sue for a special 4 course Prix Fixe Dinner for $35.00 per person(plus tax and gratuity).
Sue will be on hand to talk to you about her cheeses, cheese making and her veal and pork products.
We will be taking normal reservations this evening and you will need to call FLK to reserve your spot as we have blocked open table this night since it will be the only menu available on the 16th.
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Wow. It’s like West Vincent Supervisor-Farmer in the Dell Ken Miller doesn’t exist, huh? Talk about reinvention PR. And if this event is sold out, it means a nice chunk of change going into the farmers’ pockets, yes? I mean Birchrun Hills Farm has had issues, right? And the farmers (Ken and Sur Miller) have had issues, right? But this is all in the fevered imagination of Chickenman, right? None of these issues exist and public documents, right?
I will be honest. I tried to patronize Birchrun Hills Farm when my friends first started the Bryn Mawr Farmers Market ( a Farm to City Market ). I knew nothing at this point about who Ken and Sue Miller were other than farmers participating in a market I wanted to support where I used to live on the Main Line. That being said, I am not some fluff brained creature. I cook, I garden, I have a level of intelligence. I went to purchase some of Birchrun Hills products at one of the very first markets in Bryn Mawr and let me tell you it was hard to do that because Sue Miller had priced for Bryn Mawr and I almost fell over with sticker shock for what it was – to be honest, Birchrun Hills is not the only farm who prices higher for the Main Line at the Bryn Mawr Farmers Market (and yes, the prices at that market are in some cases higher than farm markets and farm stands I patronize in the Hamptons of all places!). HOWEVER, when I tried to ask Sue Miller questions at the time about her products instead of just blindly dumping money in her pocket, she was rude. Not her staff, but her, the farmer/owner. I purchased once from her and once only as a result. I mentally crossed her off my list from that point on. If I was too annoying to her to answer a couple of simple questions without attitude, well then she did not need me as a customer. And truthfully, the products I purchased from Birchrun Hills Farm weren’t so fabulous, attitude of farmer owner aside.
And that was before eminent domain for private gain was attempted by Sue Miller’s husband and West Vincent Supervisor Ken Miller. That right there sealed the deal. I would just make a personal choice to boycott their products wherever I saw them. I would never advocate boycotting any small business who buys from Birchrun Hills Farm, but I have told a few of them why I will not knowingly eat anything produced off that place. When I go to places like White Dog Cafe in Wayne, I choose menu options that do not feature Birchrun Hills Farm products. Same for when I visit places like Di Bruno Brothers. Same for the East Goshen Farmers Market. I support the businesses, but I will not purchase products from that farm.
Now the East Goshen Farmers Market is of course something where a couple of personalities aside I still support them overall because it is the right thing to do. I even featured them in an article I wrote this summer a few weeks ago for The Philadelphia Inquirer. The women who run the market (and did I mention one of the women runs Shellbark Hollow Farm, a farm whose products I actually buy ?) act like I have the bubonic plague because I don’t support Birchrun Hills Farm, but you know what? They can have their issues. I don’t come to their market weekly carrying a sign in protest and I have never been anything but pleasant. But I can’t support a farm where one of the owners supported an attempt at eminent domain for private gain.
So if you go to Funky Lil’ Kitchen in Pottstown, just ask them what products come from Birchrun Hills Farm and eat around that part of the menu.
I don’t know. It just seems a lil’ funky that they are so prosperous at Birchrun Hills Farm, yet others in West Vincent struggle? Especially the oddness of what happens to West Vincent residents when they speak out against the political machine currently running the municipality, right?
Anyway, enough about this. Funky Lil’ Kitchen is a great place. But they are a little far afield even for me for dinner. There are so many other places close by. But again, don’t boycott the restaurant. Just ask them how to eat around one particular farm. And if you know of farms who produce similar goods, suggest them as an alternative.
Final note? If Ken Miller straightens up and flies right for the people of West Vincent (as in ALL the people of West Vincent, not a select set) I will be happy to stop commenting about his farm even if given their ridiculous pricing alone you should consider other farms…..