So I wrote about this yesterday, right? I didn’t originate the news about the National Park Service and William Penn in his Philadelphia pocket park at 2nd and Walnut off of Samson Walk. It was international news after a few hours yesterday which made me notice. William Penn being discussed by British newspapers will do that.
Well about half an hour ago I noticed an update on the NBC10 app and apparently the hair brained stupid idea, plan, or proposal is now revoked and of course the I-95 Superman known as Governor Josh Shapiro is taking credit for swooping in to save the day?
Groan….politics….
IMHO the people did this with instant public outrage, not the Governor who is using this as political capital to feather his own political nest. I mean Governor you are everywhere these days so what is it you are interested in? A US Senate Seat? A Presidential bid? Sorry not sorry something has to be cooking, right? So while he’s at it, how about those pipeline issues, Governor darling?
The National Park Service (NPS) has withdrawn the review of a renovation plan that included the removal of the statue of William Penn from the site of his former Philadelphia home.
The NPS asked for input on the future for the park, located near the intersection of 2nd and Walnut Streets off Sansom Walk in Philadelphia’s Old City neighborhood, and they certainly received it — at least online.
By 6:30 p.m. Monday night, the NPS said the public comment period was closed.
“The preliminary draft proposal, which was released prematurely and had not been subject to a complete internal agency review, is being retracted. No changes to the William Penn statue are planned,” the NPS said in a statement.
…In a statement on the plan, the NPS said the goal of the proposed renovations were intended to create “a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience for visitors.”
After the proposal was withdrawn the NPS said:
“The National Park Service (NPS) remains committed to rehabilitating Welcome Park as the nation prepares to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence in 2026. Upon completion of all the necessary internal reviews, the park looks forward to engaging in a robust public process to consider options for refurbishing the park in the coming years.”
The park is located on the site of Penn’s former home, it is also named for the ship, Welcome, which transported Penn to Philadelphia.
The design and construction of Welcome Park was funded by the Independence Historical Trust and was completed in 1982, notes the NPS in the statement….The withdrawn proposal called for the William Penn statue and Slate Roof house model at the park to be removed and not reinstalled.
Yeah, Super Josh did all of this, right? Public outrage at the National Park Service’s latest bit of stupidity and political pandering and a complete disregard of the actual history of William Penn had nothing to do with it? The fact that it is a Presidential election year has nothing to do with it either ? (Somewhere Dana Carvey is reviving Church Lady and isn’t that special.)
PHILADELPHIA — Independence National Historical Park has withdrawn the review of a draft proposal to rehabilitate Welcome Park and closed the public comment period. The preliminary draft proposal, which was released prematurely and had not been subject to a complete internal agency review, is being retracted. No changes to the William Penn statue are planned.
The National Park Service (NPS) remains committed to rehabilitating Welcome Park as the nation prepares to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence in 2026. Upon completion of all the necessary internal reviews, the park looks forward to engaging in a robust public process to consider options for refurbishing the park in the coming years.
The park is located on the site of William Penn’s home, the Slate Roof House, and is named for the ship, Welcome, which transported Penn to Philadelphia. The design and construction of Welcome Park was funded by the Independence Historical Trust and was completed in 1982.
Updates on the project may be found on the park’s website at www.nps.gov/INDE.
Now let’s do remember that this park is barely a park and more of a rather dated 1980s concrete jungle masquerading as a park and has been since it was created . So making it more of a green space and honoring nature which is so part of Native American culture and history is not a bad plan, but William Penn and his slate house replica and his legacy should remain on the site that was his home in Philadelphia.
Also and once again people are in an uproar over William Penn because he owned slaves. At Pennsbury Manor. Quaker Charles Thomson, the most famous inhabitant of historic Harriton House in Bryn Mawr , Irish-born patriot leader in Philadelphia during the American Revolution and the secretary of the Continental Congress throughout its existence owned slaves before he freed them. Thomson prepared the Journals of the Continental Congress, and his and John Hancock’s names were the only two to appear on the first printing of the United States Declaration of Independence. He designed the Great Seal of the US too. So should he be removed from history too?
My point is some Philadelphia Quakers did own slaves and some known as “fighting Quakers” also fought in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and even WWI and WWII. Those are historical facts.
Slavery is wrong in today’s world, it wasn’t wrong quite yet in that world many centuries ago. It is an inconvenient truth yet part of the history that made this country. You can’t cancel all of our founding fathers and US history, nor should you. It was a different time. People and culture was different. Society was different. I say that as someone who has the genealogy of discriminated against people in my DNA. And there are plenty of people also descended from indentured servants as well as slaves.
Again, our history is our history. Covering it up and/or removing it means we could be doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. Being open to all segments of history gives us the opportunity to learn so yes that should include Native American and history of other indigenous peoples (like the Inuit tribes) and slavery and black history along with everything else. They are all pieces of the crazy quilt of American history.
We can’t pretend bad things didn’t happen and we shouldn’t. But history doesn’t exist for the convenient bits, it exists for ALL of it, including William Penn.
Face it before there was George Washington, or Thomas Jefferson, or John Adams or Paul Revere or Betsy Ross or Prince Hall or Louis Glapion or George Middleton or Absalom Jones or Richard Allen, there was William Penn.
History has a place in our lives. We live in Pennsylvania. We fight to see pieces of land that were William Penn land grants saved, we need to save him too. There would be no Pennsylvania without William Penn.
Our history and our identity as a country, and as a region, is tied directly to William Penn. He came here with people to settle in Pennsylvania the state that was named for him to escape religious and other persecution.
So here we are a few centuries later and it’s like we’re right back where we started.
To remove him from anything is egregious. And YES I get that the Daily Mail and other sources are perhaps being alarmist, but this is my opinion on the matter because I truly believe that this could indeed happen.
Why can’t different parts of history co-exist? Why does some history have to be suppressed in favor of other pieces of history?
And before some of you jump all over me for daring to have an opinion on this, my thought process is simple: if we deny or repress history (which is not always pretty), we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
And to remove William Penn when he had historically good relationships with Native Americans makes no sense. To me it runs contrary to the history of William Penn completely. If he could co-exist peacefully with Native Americans hundreds of years ago why does he have to not as a part of history not be able to co-exist with Native American history on this historic site?
History is good, history is bad, history is history. We can’t just keep replacing history. It all needs to be there for us. It’s how we grow as human beings and Americans. Oh and I am saying this as a woman, a Democrat, a Pennsylvanian, a Philadelphian.
By Stephen M. Lepore For Dailymail.Com00:11 08 Jan 2024, updated 00:44 08 Jan 2024
The Biden administration’s National Park Service is starting a ‘rehabilitation’ process for a Pennsylvania park that incudes the removal of a statue of founder William Penn and inclusion of representation of Native American tribes.
The Deb Haaland-led parks service sent out the request for input on the changes to Welcome Park Friday on their website and in a post on X.
Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania in 1681, was notorious for his amicable relations with the Native tribes of the region. The park was established 300 years later.
The park itself is named after the ship Penn sailed to America and includes a museum dedicated to celebrating the life and contributions of William Penn.
However, the parks service says it wants to ‘provide a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience for visitors.’
The National Park Service (NPS) has announced it will be rehabilitating (via reduction) Pennsylvania founder William Penn’s Welcome Park to “provide a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience.” Named after the ship that bore Penn to that city of fraternal affection, the park is the site of his former Philadelphia home and the Slate Roof House. As part of this reimagining of Welcome Park, the park service has confirmed that “the Penn statue and Slate Roof house model will be removed and not installed.”
Needless to say, this is all very stupid.
Two things:
One, it’s true that Welcome Park is monumentally ugly — if no one said it, I will. It’s a slab of stonework (composing a street plan for Philadelphia) with the approximate footprint of a Division III high-school gymnasium in the middle of a city block. The spot could use a rethink to maximize the importance of a location that held the Slate Roof House, an abode in which the Quaker William Penn wrote his charter, a document that would see many of its tenets replicated in the U.S. Constitution. The location also hosted members of the Continental Congress, including John Hancock and John Adams.
Two, just because something might be in need of reinterpretation does not mean that progressive revisionists get carte blanche to “inclusify” benches and fire hydrants with Howard Zinnian signage while deleting the only two items of note — the Penn statue and the model house. Why not rebuild the Slate Roof House and keep the statue in its front entry? Or make a model ship and house, something interactive for kids to mess while maybe even learning something?
Should we have rights over ourindividual choices? As in no matter what we might choose, it stays our individual right.
Should we have rights over our own bodies?
Why do politicians at a podium, or religious figures at a lectern or on an altar have the right to decide our path and shame us if we do not agree? If we are not June Cleaver and Donna Reed or even if we are, why should we be judged by this? If we are career women who are independent and may or may not have families and children, why should we be judged by this?
When did we become this angry society of political punishers and judgy judgersons of insanity?
Do we deserve free and fair elections?
Should people impose their paranoia, bigotry, phobias, hatred, and not so thinly veiled racism over your families and children in public schools?
What do you think about the way we were set up with a separation of church and state yet everywhere the faux pious with their fake Christian values are trying to impose their values on everyone regardless of how others might feel?
How do you feel about your rights being subjective? Mind you that’s a semirhetorical question because our rights are not subjective, but if we don’t pay attention we are allowing people into public office who will remove our rights thereby making them subjective.
How do you feel if from the area about these people demonizing the esteemed Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia for practicing medicine? Is Nemours Children’s Hospital Next? What about other hospital systems? Is medicine to be practiced according to the comfort levels of fanatics? And isn’t ironic that the new head of the Republican Committee of Chester County Raffi Terzian is a doctor? Makes you wonder how he can play politics and play medicine at the same time? Where is he on COVID19, masks, and vaccinations, for example? It’s a fair question, he’s a doctor and doctors are supposed to save lives, right? He was supposed to be a savior of the Chesco GOP but so far he’s shown himself to be part of the problems he was supposed to fix, hasn’t he?
When they shout, must we always shout louder? But if our voices are quiet, they win, so we don’t have the choice of being quiet and still, do we?
How do you feel about the Union League of Philadelphia’s decision to honor Ron DeSantis the creature of shithole Floridian Trumpian politics?
Beware the false prophets. Too harsh? Ok then, the Candidates of fall, 2022. The Man from Oz. Napoleon Ciarrocchi #whereisguy. Monsteriano Mastriano, Jessica Transphobic Florio. Gail Newman. Scary Sarah Marvin. The list seems endless and stretches across 50 states. It’s not just Pennsyltucky politics.
Vote ladies, our lives literally depend upon it.
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.”
Your eyes do not deceive you. Pennsyltucky Republicans in the wee hours forced a committee vote on abortion instead of settling the state budget by adding a proposed amendment to the Constituion of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania that states no guarantee of any rights relating to abortion or public funding of abortions.
So they can enact a proposed amendment to the state constitution to remove a woman’s right to choose no matter what the circumstances, but cannot enact an act of the state constitution to protect our communities from predatory development and bad zoning by updating the Municipalities Planning Code?????? At least now we understand fully (like we didn’t know before right?) the value of women in the birthplace of America just after the 4th of July.
According to these politicians, women only have value as dictated by men. Are you OK with that? I’m not OK with that, and I have never been any particularly great women’s libber over the course of my life. But I have always believed that no matter what her choice, each woman should have the fundamental right to choose what is best for them, their body, their own family.
This all took place at just before midnight last night. So as Thursday night was becoming Friday morning, Pennsylvania Senate Republicans worked feverishly to screw over every woman in Pennsylvania. If this gets passed this is something out of the reach of the Governor and a veto.
The screenshot directly above shows you how it was voted on. Those who said YEA need their offices and social media FLOODED and TODAY. As in THIS MORNING. We are the world of smart phones so use your little smart phone and look up their information and get busy. Here is the AP press release that contains a lot of salient information:
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Republican state senators outvoted impassioned Democratic opposition late Thursday to advance a proposal to add language to the Pennsylvania Constitution stating explicitly that the document does not guarantee any rights relating to abortion or public funding of abortions.
The chamber’s Rules Committee teed up the package of proposed amendments that would also require voters to show ID at polling places and have gubernatorial candidates choose their own running mates. A vote of the full Senate could occur Friday.
The Democratic floor leader, Sen. Jay Costa of Allegheny County, said he saw the abortion bill as “designed to prevent abortions in this commonwealth” while the sponsor, Republican Sen. Judy Ward of Blair, said it would simply give the Legislature power to determine abortion law.
The proposal was tacked onto a package of constitutional amendments in a bill the state House approved in December. Other amendments would let lawmakers disapprove regulations without facing a governor’s veto and have the General Assembly set up a system for the auditor general to conduct election audits.
“Our Abortion Control Act will still remain in place,” said Ward, an abortion rights opponent. “And this constitutional amendment will just go to the people and it allows us in the Legislature the ability to set these rules and laws concerning abortion in this commonwealth.”
Sen. Katie Muth, D-Montgomery, vowed that “women and their allies will not stand for this. This is a ban on our rights.”
“I don’t need a single person in this room to tell me what to do with my body,” Muth said. “I don’t.”
…The bill is in its first two-year session so must be advertised three months ahead of the Nov. 8 election if the Republican majority wants to get it to voters during the 2023-24 session that starts in January.
So if you are beyond child bearing age and have daughters, sons or grandchildren you had better school them today on safe sex and get them familiar with birth control and more because who knows how long they will even have access to that if this goes through.
If any women I know are upset by my post, hey get over yourselves because regardless if you are pro-life or pro-choice this affects women’s rights because no matter what the choice, a woman should have the right to decide what is right for her body, her life, her family.
It is astounding that we just celebrated the national holiday which is all about our freedoms and our rights, and here we are on the verge of losing them in a state that counts as a birthplace of America?
A lot of this can be laid at the feet of a female Pennsyltucky Republican named Kim Ward. Her phone number in Greensburg is (724)-600-7002 or (717) 787-6063. Be sure to give her a call.
If you want to understand how elections will have consequences, this is it. So guess what? You might have to hold your nose on voting for a couple of choices but if you don’t vote these people out of office this coming November we’re all screwed and future generations are screwed.
Do not let Pennsylvania Republicans screw with our state constitution to remove rights. It’s pretty much that simple. If our founding fathers fought, blood, and died for us to have rights, who are these turds to remove our rights? They do NOT have that right.
Get busy ladies and supportive gents, time is a wasting. #mybodymychoice
Call, write, protest, mail metal coat hangers by the bag full to Harrisburg.
I am not chattel. No woman is chattel. Enough political fuckery.
If all of our rights are not protected equally under the rule of law, we fundamentally have no rights. It’s just that simple.
On Mother’s Day, the Stepford Wives for Totalitarianism want you to go to the home of their Chief Cook and Bottle-basher of their Chester County “chapter” and well…be indoctrinated. I always find that ironic and somewhat amusing that they are fighting against indoctrination, yet they are just one big cult out of Florida with “chapters”.
Their guest speaker is a math teacher from Ohio on leave from his job so he can be a full time conspiracy theorist.
Austin (CNN)Douglas Frank, an Ohio math teacher, affixed his Texas flag print bow tie, led a booming rendition of the National Anthem and then walked a crowd through an absurd mathematical equation that he claimed proves the 2020 election was stolen.
“Just about every county in the country was hacked,” Frank told the dozens of Texans huddled in a ballroom at a local country club on Sunday. When he finished speaking more than 90 minutes later, they gave him a standing ovation.
This is how the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen grows even bigger. More than a year later, there is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election. But Frank is still winning audiences with lawmakers, election officials and voters across the country.
Currently on leave from his teaching position, Frank has traveled to Texas and dozens of other states, claiming he uncovered an algorithm proving the 2020 election was stolen nationwide, even as his conclusions have been debunked by mathematicians and election experts.
“At the core of how our democracy works is that we have to trust election results,” said Justin Grimmer, a political science professor at Stanford University. “Luckily, the theory is so crazy that I think only the people who really want to believe or really, really want to see some conspiracy in the world would be persuaded. But nevertheless, I think there’s a real danger there.”
Frank is just one in an army of conspiracy theorists, inspired by former President Donald Trump’s election lies,
These are the people that those people are bringing into our communities. They don’t live here, they don’t vote here, they don’t work here, they don’t pay taxes here. Yet they are meddling with where we call home. I have a problem with that. They aren’t offering reasonable people for us to listen to or even candidates that makes sense. They are part of the study of extremism in politics.
Extremism and politics is ruining our area, our state, our very country. And we are allowing it to happen. This is where both political parties, Republicans and Democrats , in our area should actually come together and deal with this. But they won’t because they would rather stand each on their own little hill and point at the other and say it’s “their fault.”
The Chester County Democrats want to live by Kumbaya and you can’t. You actually have to study literally The Art of War by Sun Tzu. The book literally teaches you that you can’t understand your enemy, unless you can understand how they think. And Chester County Republicans and Democrats alike, haven’t a clue. It’s a push me / pull you of politics.
The greatest charlatan of all times was our last US President. Trump said decades before he could essentially run and win in either party. So truthfully as the charlatan and malignant narcissist he is he could have picked either party and won. Decimating the GOP was a cake walk for him because it had already been weakened by the infiltration of the tea party originally. Not that the Democrat party is necessarily much better because at this point. Everyone and everything is ruled by extremism and extremists.
Chester County Democrats and Chester County Republicans BOTH need to get their heads out of their collective asses, along with the state party leaders. And the State Republicans in particular are to blame for a lot of these crazy candidates like the one running STILL for Congress in the 6th. Bet he will be at this on Sunday.
Let’s talk shots. COVID-19 shots. Have you got one? If yes, lucky you.
I am still a cancer patient, so I am eligible. I registered with Chester County. I registered with the state. I registered with Chester County Hospital and therefore Penn Medicine. I signed up on some other websites. Nada. Nothing. Zippo.
It seems that finding COVID-19 shots in Chester County is the ultimate Where’s Waldo. And even Waldo is practising social distancing.
“The Chester County Health Department continues to receive a very limited amount of vaccine doses each week, and last week it received no doses of the vaccine.
To date, Chester County has received more than 182,000 pre-registrations with the Chester County Health Department to receive the vaccine. In contrast this week, the county received just 3,200 doses, which the state instructed to be used as second doses. County officials are trying obtain more doses for Phase 1A groups, especially for seniors and those with high-risk conditions.”
Oh and then there is when you TRY to register according to Pennyslvania’s map:
So yeah, other than pipelines and blocking constituents on social media if you wonder WHY, WHY, WHY I won’t vote for Pennsylvania Lurch, a/k/a John Fetterman for U.S. Senate, look no further than we can’t get COVID-19 shots and the mansplaining out of Harrisburg is clear as mud and twice as frustrating as a long PECO outage.
I know people who do NOT live in New Jersey or Delaware but somehow signed up for shots there. No residency questions or challenges so to me this seems unethical if not dishonest. Is it dishonest? Who knows?
All I DO know is I have played by the rules throughout COVID19, including going on voluntary self-quarantine before stay at home was enforced because I was at a horticultural event where literally one of the first COVID19 victims in Chester County was. They were (whomever they were) the 2nd confirmed victim.
I have stayed home, gardened, learned how to make bread, and more this past year. Yes it is almost a year. I wear masks. I wash my hands. I don’t see my elderly familial people.
Think it’s just me gretzing?
We are all playing COVID shot roulette. And it’s debilitating. I am perfectly willing to wait my turn, only it would be nice to have a realistic idea of what that looks like. And most of us do not. We go to site after site. Like Giant Food Markets only where are their pharmacies administering shots? And who decided the randomness of it all as to where the shots will go?
Every time I have a medical appointment I have to COVID19 pre-screen. I don’t mind pre-screening but how about a damn shot instead?
See this photo above? The one I am opening this post with? Gorgeous view and vista, right? That is what conserved and protected open space looks like. That is part of the 571 gloriously preserved acres on Stroud Preserve, which we all have to visit thanks to the Natural Lands Trust. This is one reason why I am so in awe of this non-profit. They are amazing.
Now look at the next photo. Also taken by me from the air a couple of years ago and notice the difference:
Next is another shot- both of these were taken over Chester County .
Recently we attended a party out near or in West Vincent. We got turned around on the way and ended up in a development I never knew existed. I think it may have been off Fellowship Road, I am not sure, because it was one of those times where you just get all turned around.
Anyway, we ended up in this development that had rather large houses so crammed together you felt as if you were in one of the houses and stuck your arm out the window that you could basically touch the neighbor’s house. Don’t misunderstand me, it was a pretty, well-kept neighborhood but it looked so incredibly phony, almost like a movie set. Or a life sized model. And it was also very odd because it was a neighborhood no one was outside. Not even to walk a dog. It was eerie.
Every day we hear about more and more developments happening. Just this weekend somebody posted the following photo taken in West Vincent:
If I have the location correct it is on Birchrun Road and has passed through a couple of developers’ hands? Like Hankin and now Pulte maybe? Anyway soon this will be a crop of plastic houses. And it seems like Chester County keeps sprouting more and more crops of densely placed plastic houses.
You would think that Chester County would have learned from the mistakes of Montgomery and Delaware Counties.
Just look at what once was Foxcatcher Farm or the DuPont estate in Newtown Square at Goshen and 252? How is any of that attractive? And look at the beautiful natural habitat that was literally bulldozed under. I said before I’m a realist, I didn’t expect when an estate like that was broken up it would remain pristine and intact, especially given the history and events of recent years. However, it still shocks me that none of the land was truly conserved. In my opinion, the only land that has not been built upon is land they couldn’t build upon easily.
The two photos you’re looking at above I took this spring. Giant manor sized houses so close together . And they are going up lickety-split in all of their Tyvec glory.
I think it’s horrible. I think it’s horrible especially since I have seen what nonprofits like the Natural Lands Trust are able to accomplish and achieve in land preservation. But did Newtown Township ever wanted to preserve any of it given the projects that have almost but not quite happened on the former Arco/Ellis school site in recent years?
However there are many opinions when to comes to development. Recently my blog posts about Foxcatcher, which are in some cases years old, were brought up again on a Facebook page about Newtown Square.
Ok so this Nathan above is entitled to his opinion even if he is somewhat ignorant in his approach. I never called Newtown Supervisors “commissioners” are we will start with that. And if he wants to go pointing fingers, there are several villains in these plays. At the top of my list are local municipal elected officials, state elected officials, and developers.
We’ll start with the local elected officials. These are the people that have temporary elected stewardship over our communities. I think they have an obligation to represent us all equally and not just select factions or special interests. But the reality of politics even on the most local level is that is whom they cater to exactly. Are we talking about real or theoretical payola here? Doesn’t matter because at the end of the day they get sold a bill of goods and they know better than the rest of us. When you challenge a local municipality on development most of the time they will throw up their hands and say “Wecan’t do anything. All our codes are based on the Pennsylvania Municipalities Planning Code.”
Then there are the state elected officials. These are the guys whose campaigns are supported by not only local elected officials but people with big check books like developers. Our politicians on the state level could reform and update the Pennsylvania Municipalities Planning Code but they don’t want to deal with it.
They also don’t want to deal with the building and development lobbyists. And it’s those lobbying groups that killed a very interesting bill that was proposed in Pennsylvania a few years ago.
AN ACT1 Amending the act of July 31, 1968 (P.L.805, No.247), entitled,2 as amended, “An act to empower cities of the second class A,3 and third class, boroughs, incorporated towns, townships of4 the first and second classes including those within a county5 of the second class and counties of the second through eighth6 classes, individually or jointly, to plan their development7 and to govern the same by zoning, subdivision and land8 development ordinances, planned residential development and9 other ordinances, by official maps, by the reservation of10 certain land for future public purpose and by the acquisition11 of such land; to promote the conservation of energy through12 the use of planning practices and to promote the effective13 utilization of renewable energy sources; providing for the14 establishment of planning commissions, planning departments,15 planning committees and zoning hearing boards, authorizing16 them to charge fees, make inspections and hold public17 hearings; providing for mediation; providing for transferable18 development rights; providing for appropriations, appeals to19 courts and penalties for violations; and repealing acts and20 parts of acts,” adding provisions to authorize temporary21 development moratorium.22 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania23 hereby enacts as follows:24 Section 1. The act of July 31, 1968 (P.L.805, No.247), known25 as the Pennsylvania Municipalities Planning Code, reenacted and 1 amended December 21, 1988 (P.L.1329, No.170), is amended b.
This act stayed around a couple of years until it was just made to disappear. it was last referenced in a 2009 article:
Amid an economic disaster that has brought the home-building industry to its knees, a Pennsylvania lawmaker intends to resume his push for building moratoriums. A building ban? When federal-stimulus proponents long for a resumption of the construction cacophony of hammers and electric saws? The moratorium advocate, State Rep. Robert Freeman (D., Northampton), insists he’s not hard-hearted when it comes to builders. “It’s important for us to stimulate our economy, so I’d be glad to get the home builders back to work,” Freeman said in a recent interview. He just wants to ensure that when the orders for new houses start pouring in again, communities have a way to temporarily stop the bulldozers if they do not have adequate growth plans and ordinances in place. “It gives the opportunity for those folks who have been feeling the pressure from development to take a breather,” Freeman said of moratoriums. Municipalities currently have the right to reject a development proposal if it does not meet local land-use requirements. But they cannot simply declare that no building can occur if in fact there is room to accommodate it. Freeman wants to give them the temporary right to do so – but only if a town determines that it is overwhelmed by development and that its growth plans, ordinances, and zoning are inadequate to address that crush.
That bill was a great idea. It would’ve allowed communities to hit the pause button for a brief amount of time.
As individuals and residents in these communities facing wanton development our culpability partially lies in the fact that we keep electing these people to public office. And once these people are in elected office, not many are willing to hold their feet to the proverbial fire are they?
I also do not feel it is as simple as saying people should just put up the money to buy all the open space.
Ordinary people don’t often have the means to match what developers will pay so they can put up hundreds if not thousands of houses. Even on small building sites, often regular people cannot match what developers will offer to buy a house as a tear down because the lot or neighborhood is desirable for them to build on . I saw that happen a few years ago when someone was trying to buy a house and they ended up bidding against a developer. They just walked away from it. They couldn’t compete.
But as for people like this Nathan, I am not going to just zip my lip as so eloquently stated. We need to speak out about these monster developments in order to preserve our very way of life. It’s not just open space, it’s more complicated than that. It’s what makes us want to live in a specific area in the first place. We are trying to preserve our communities. Our sense of place.
People who are extraordinarily pro-development for whatever reason will immediately label people like myself as being completely “anti-development”. But that isn’t it .
What we are looking for is yes, preservation and land conservation, but also moderation. And when is the last time in recent years that you have seen moderation in any kind of development? The ironic thing is that shortsighted on the part of the developers. If they exercised moderation once in a while they would get a lot farther with their plans.
But it is as if development is revving up to warp speed once again. It makes me wonder if that is why people in Chester County can’t save their oak tree – seriously, it’s in the Daily Local:
Chester Springs resident Jim Helm has spent the last several weeks trying to save a historical estimated 270-year-old oak tree on his property from being destroyed by utility companies. The tree, which stands on the border of his property, extends into power lines which run along the road, making it vulnerable for unwarranted trimming and cutting by Verizon and PECO…Recently the Helms discovered Verizon crews cutting off branches of the oak tree and halted engineers as best they could, as the police were called in to regulate the situation and ordered the Helms back to their house. West Vincent Township officials have told the Helms they want to help save the tree but progress has been slow. Helm noted that between the trimming conducted by Verizon and West Vincent Township, 25 percent of the tree’s canopy is now gone….Perhaps a larger question continues to loom; as modern development continues to grow at a rapid rate in Chester County, who will advocate on behalf of the few, rare old trees left and save them from being cut down?
We need open space. We also need just basic land and community preservation. Every plastic McMansion, “Carriage House” and townhouse development that comes along further detracts from what makes where we live special. It lines the pockets of developers and creates a sea of plastic houses that are ridiculously close together. Also, what do we as communities really get out of these developments except traffic jams and a change in our overall ecological profile?
From one end of Pennsylvania to the other we need land development reforms. We desperately need to re-define what suburbs and exurbs are. Having the ability for our communities to have temporary moratoriums on development is not a bad thing, either. And in order to get these things we have to put better people in elected office from the most local level through to the Governor’s mansion.
We also need to better support land conservation groups. If we don’t, open-space will merely become an antiquated term with no practical or real applicability.
I am all for capitalism, don’t misunderstand me. However, what I don’t like is capitalism at the expense of where and how we live. And that pretty much sums up Sunoco and their quest for pipeline domination.
CINCINNATI (AP) — Federal environmental officials now estimate more than 20,000 gallons of crude oil — double the initial estimates — leaked from a pipeline into a nature preserve in southwest Ohio.
Meanwhile, Sunoco Logistics said Monday that the pipeline has been repaired and re-opened. Sunoco shut off the stretch of Mid-Valley Pipeline from Hebron, Ky., to Lima, Ohio, early March 18 after a leak was confirmed.
Sunoco spokesman Jeff Shields said under a federally approved plan, a specially engineered clamp was placed on the 20-inch diameter pipeline, which had a 5-inch crack that leaked oil. The clamp was tested before oil flow resumed Sunday evening.
Shields declined to say how much of the oil supply was disrupted in the last week in a system that runs about 1,000 miles from Texas to Michigan. He said the information is considered internal company business…..The oil leaked into an intermittent stream and acre-sized marshy area in the Oak Glen Nature Preserve just west of Cincinnati. Teams from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the Ohio EPA and other federal, state and local agencies responded after Sunoco Logistics reported the leak at about 1 a.m. EDT March 18….. some small wildlife has been affected by contamination.
Define “some”? I have friends with existing pipelines going through their property where Sunoco is drooling to put more. These are more rural friends with land that looks like a nature preserve because it is so beautiful and full of wildlife and scenic natural water sources.
I never thought I would think about this pipeline issue. But I am and someone left a very valid comment that made me think. It is on the Just The Facts Please Facebook page:
How did this argument become “Not In My Back Yard”? I appreciate the passion and concern but to say move it a mile down the road only shifts the burden onto another community.
That was never the reasons for fighting this to begin with.
The real issue is that a for profit corporation is walking over cities, towns, and communities on its way to higher profits for their investors. If we use NIMBY in this fight WE WILL LOSE.
For me it has always been about stopping the process and not allow Sunoco to steal from our state to ship 90% away. There were people in the Northeast region this winter that were freezing due to a lack of propane, while Sunoco stockpiled it. This should be unacceptable for everyone
I have to say I feel this person is correct about the NIMBY thing and makes several good points. Chester County communities should band together whether they are immediately affected or not. This is a “big picture” issue as well as being intensely personal to those affected right now.
NIMBY is Not In My Back Yard. I thank the good lord above I don’t have Sunoco in my back yard right now. But I could. Most of us in Chester County are all close enough to Sunoco and other existing pipelines. So I wholeheartedly support my neighbors’ efforts in neighboring municipalities — I don’t want this in my back yard either!
Sunoco Logistics as has been said repeatedly in the media is applying to the Public Utility Commission to become a utility for natural gas purposes. The cliff notes version is if they get this they more easily get the power of eminent domain basically to seize property when they want under the guise of eminent domain for public purpose. It’s not so public purpose, this is to positively impact their corporate bottom line so in my humble opinion doesn’t that make it eminent domain for private gain? How despicable, right? Do we work hard so we can live in beautiful Chester County so they can take our land and destroy what we have worked hard for??
If you think that Sunoco’s desire to be honest should not be questioned, then here is something to think about.
In Sunoco’s filing with FERC (OR13-9-000) they state that they have already committed 90% of the product to ship (par. 5). That leaves 10% for domestic use. They also cite that FERC has not established a minimum percentage of capacity that must be set aside (par. 14). Sunoco claims there is no major market in the Northeast for the product (par. 4). Apparently the 55,317,240 (2010 census.gov) that live in the Northeast region are nothing compared to the Norwegian population of 5,109,059 (wikepedia.com) Our question would be if PECO claimed the same thing and wanted to ship excess electricity to another country would this then be alright with FERC. The answer would most likely be no. PECO is required to allow any and all customers to tap their lines. A Sunoco representative, Joseph McGinn—Senior manager, Public Affairs, has already stated when asked about tapping into the line “you cannot connect into it, but if PECO wanted to get it to you then that would be a possibility.” Sunoco Pipeline LP/Sunoco Logistics LP wants us to believe it is OK for them to ship our resource to another country, not pay taxes to the townships along the way, devalue our homes & regions, and destroy the place we call home only to put money into their investor’s & politician’s pockets.
Sunoco Logistics comes in and pays once for use of your land. You don’t get an annual rental fee, if you buy a property with a pipeline from them already there you get nothing, correct? Except if you have pipeline running through your property you get all the risk of having a pipeline in your backyard, don’t you? Which includes not merely environmental concerns but economic concerns as well, right? If you don’t think property values of residential real estate won’t be affected by a pipeline running through it, I would have to say my opinion is you are ever so sadly mistaken. It doesn’t take much to adversely affect a property value does it?
In Chester County a great deal of us don’t have access to natural gas to heat with. Why? Because the only gas lines are pipelines and are Sunoco’s and some other companies for their profit. They aren’t for residential usage and supply. We can have propane tanks, oil tanks, or heat with wood or wood pellets. But that gas is for other people.
Not only does Sunoco want to suck our natural resources out and ship them elsewhere and not give residents access, they don’t even pay their fair share of taxes for using the land and sucking it dry . Which is exactly why as a Republican I am saying people all across Pennsylvania should have yet another reason to send Governor Tom Corbett packing. Start with sending him a message in the upcoming gubernatorial primary. Write in Daffy Duck if you have to.
I have also personally decided to avoid filling up the car at Sunoco gas stations whenever possible. We have plenty of other brands and stations to use out here, and well Sunoco gas stations are the most expensive most of the time anyway, so it’s also being more economical. Yes, I am talking a personal boycott…personal choice and all that if you care to embrace the concept, right?
A website called ChescoPaGreen has a lot of information. I am a visual person so the maps they have really hit home. Chester County is literally all carved up by these pipelines.
It is time to stand up to Sunoco and the rest of big and small oil criss-crossing Chester County. The ratio of risk vs. reward is skewed in the favor of big and small oil and any politician or related company or person in their pocket. We as a collective of residents are bearing the burdens and the risks. Safety, property values, environmental concerns (how many of you out there depend on wells for your water?), and so on. We don’t see much in the way of benefits and these companies aren’t even paying their share of taxes let alone actually compensating people properly who have had these pipelines carve up their properties.
If you can’t go to meetings, please contact the Public Utility Commission and ask them to DENY Sunoco. Contact television stations and ask them to join our regional news websites (like PaNewz.com), regional and local newspapers like The Daily Local, Philadelphia Inquirer, and Main Line Media News and give residents more of a voice. Also contact elected officials. On every level for local to Harrisburg to Washington DC, but remember a lot of politicians take donations from big business and individuals involved. You probably can’t expect much from lame duck elected officials, but contact them anyway. Like Congressman Jim Gerlach, for example. He has plenty of pipeline near where he calls home in Chester County.
Again, I didn’t think this would be an issue I really cared about and I was somewhat ambivalent for a long time. But then I moved to Chester County. We live in a beautiful county and we have sacrificed enough already between developers gobbling up ever scenic acre they can get and existing pipe lines.
I am just thinking enough is the word of the day. As in Chester County has given enough.
Time to hit the pause button.
I don’t have a pipeline running through my property. But I could. That makes it more than enough for me as a Chester County resident to say “NO”. Please say “NO” as well.
